Joenzy said:

Not to take away from this forum but Goner records has a great forum...
and a cool website. and a great place to order amazing records.
Pigmeat said:

Lets not forget what a useful forum this is for picking up on new sounds... I personaly read alot more of the forum than I post on... Just to get some juicy bands to pick up... I don't think theirs another forum on the web thats as good fer that!

Not to take away from this forum but Goner records has a great forum... and a cool website. and a great place to order amazing records. Pigmeat said:

Lets not forget what a useful forum this is for picking up on new sounds... I personaly read alot more of the forum than I post on... Just to get some juicy bands to pick up... I don't think theirs another forum on the web thats as good fer that!

kopper said:

Sumiji said:

Hey Kopper,
You know I would love to see more discussion on this network just because I hate searchin through the webfor countless hours looking for garage shit. I believe I recall a while ago someone mentioned about doing record reviews for GP. I think that a would be great for non stop discussion. Will that ever happen?

Well, there are a couple of ways we can do this, Sumiji. We can set up a separate group for record reviews, then there'd be one place to go to read what people are saying about any particular release (and anyone could review anything they wanted). OR people can just post the reviews in the blog section of their pages... there are a lot of "review blogs" on the Web, why not have some here on the Hideout?

Lets not forget what a useful forum this is for picking up on new sounds... I personaly read alot more of the forum than I post on... Just to get some juicy bands to pick up... I don't think theirs another forum on the web thats as good fer that!

Sumiji said:

Hey Kopper,
You know I would love to see more discussion on this network just because I hate searchin through the webfor countless hours looking for garage shit. I believe I recall a while ago someone mentioned about doing record reviews for GP. I think that a would be great for non stop discussion. Will that ever happen?

The Branded said:

WOW that seemed to rattle a few cages.

Yeah, Branded folk, when you really think about it this is THEE place to be if you want to congregate with like-minded folk. By no means am I saying that you shouldn't go and check out other forums; I occasionally look at 'em to see what interesting things folks may be saying. Most have a handful of members that suffer from a lower participation rate than was cited about The Hideout, and harbor a great deal of animosity toward one individual regarding the perceived demise of the beloved old forum. Of course we all know that the old forum was actually supercharged into the real community that we find ourselves in at this very moment! Old style forums don't work anymore. Oh, I know there are a handful of folk reading this that will say "forums were good enough for my dad, and they're good enough for me!" But, they aren't; especially if you have administered a self-hosted forum. SPAM up the arse!! Spambots from countries you've never heard of bombarding your forum everyday... even if you have it set to "must be approved by administrator", they still sign-up, and you have to delete them. But, I digress. The Internet model is now Social Networks like this; and they are where it's at! Just ask Facebook - the largest growing internet site in the world; over 150 Million users. Why do Social Networks work? Not only can I come to The Hideout and see practically everything I need: discussions, videos, new music, show dates (well... don't need those; I'm a curmudgeon), release dates, podcasts, etc., but I don't even have to come here to get it; it comes to me by way of RSS Feeds!! I see every general forum topic and blog post right from the comfort of my Google Reader. It comes to me to read at my leisure, just as the podcasts that I subscribe to come to me only to be consumed when I want to! BRILLIANT!! Anyway, I've gone too long. I hate to type; thus my lack in participation. I'll finish without completing my thought. Maybe that'll give me something else to post about. So I'll finish with a suggestion: Go to all the forums you can find and tell them to get hip and go to where the real action is... The Hideout, baby!

Hey Kopper,
You know I would love to see more discussion on this network just because I hate searchin through the webfor countless hours looking for garage shit. I believe I recall a while ago someone mentioned about doing record reviews for GP. I think that a would be great for non stop discussion. Will that ever happen?

Vagabonds said:

It would be interesting to have a general section here that wasn't exactly all to do with music or the scene.

Just like a little area to post some funny threads or something like that would get people talking more

It would be interesting to have a general section here that wasn't exactly all to do with music or the scene.

Just like a little area to post some funny threads or something like that would get people talking more

hmmm...
toughie fo sho. I'll probably change mah mind later...
but definitely "I'm Cramped" and "Nights in Venice"

Cramps: "I'm Cramped"

Yardbirds: "She's so Respectable"

Saints: "Nights in Venice"

Kinks: "I'm not like everybody else"

Well I've got an audition with student radio to put on my own show. I'm pretty sure I'll get the gig but I've still gotta pass this damn interview which includes playing four songs. I'm pretty sure what I'm going to play but any suggestions would be pretty cool FOCUS: What songs would you recommend for me (its a mix of everything from punk, rockabilly to northern soul etc.) What would be your four songs that you would play on a fairly big radio show if you had the chance?

croatoa said:

The Branded said:

... get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

what does it means "if you over cook the tube"???? so a good model is this so called "fender deville"?is it cheap or not??

You need to set the bias or power going to the power tubes, you need a bias probe, when the amp leaves the factory they are set a bit cold to lengthen the life of the tubes but this also makes the sound sound a bit flat or dull, if you add more power to the tubes they get hotter and sound a bit more like an old vintage amp should, this is easy to do on a deville and they can sound similimar to an old blackface twin. Or you could of course stick pencils in ya speakers, the choice is yours....

Yeh that Norton Link Wray album is aces... But I think they run out of em... At least they had only a few left last time I ordered fer my record shop... They used to do em with free Link Wray plectrums! Thats a good garage guitar tip... LINK WRAY yer amp by punching holes in the speaker with a pencil... Instant trash!

The Branded said:

... get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

for the guitar sound I would say unlearn everything you already know (beer can help with this), buy a cheap 60's guitar, like a tiesco or silvertone, hofner or whatever you find cheap, get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

jailbird said:

On a similar note(and completely serious - disregard my joke above) - what are the best things to drum on for a home recording/bedroom 4 track setup that sound good and lo-fi(ala Jay Reatards bedroom recordings, etc)when you dont actually have drums and/or a drummer? Ive tried boxes and buckets, but if anyone knows of a better solution besides getting a drummer, lemme know. Thanx.

uh, how could i forget mr. Bo Diddley. Good Save Kopp. check out his videos on youtube...
the Ventures is a little steep for beginners - even for me! But it will give you some good chops.
the Kinks, of course. "all day and all of the night." Billy Childish is good to watch. you can learn much just from watching him... "the genius of Billy Childish" you can find at some recordshops...

"...the best link wrat record to start learning?and what about the kinks?"

A great Link Wray release to introduce yourself to the 'one-lung' master would be:

Link Wray & The Raymen - Mr. Guitar - Original Swan Recordings (1995) Norton Records Two CD set

These Kinks records are an absolute MUST:

Kinks - 1964 (first LP) - Pye
Kinda Kinks - 1965 - Pye
The Kinks Kontroversy - 1965 - Pye
Face To Face - 1966 - Pye

...And have a listen to Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley while yer at it. Have fun!

One a them big cans of cooking oil you get (emptied of course) makes a good drum, backs of acoustic guitars or hard guitar cases, metal serving trays... Also you can pick up cheap plastic drums that sound alrite from yer local toy shop... I had a Disney set that cost 15pounds...

For link wray i's say ' Commanche' and for the kinks ' You Really Got Me'

the best link wrat record to start learning?and what about the kinks?

I think they used cardboard boxes on early Buddy Holly recordings didn't they? jailbird said:

On a similar note(and completely serious - disregard my joke above) - what are the best things to drum on for a home recording/bedroom 4 track setup that sound good and lo-fi(ala Jay Reatards bedroom recordings, etc)when you dont actually have drums and/or a drummer? Ive tried boxes and buckets, but if anyone knows of a better solution besides getting a drummer, lemme know. Thanx.

On a similar note(and completely serious - disregard my joke above) - what are the best things to drum on for a home recording/bedroom 4 track setup that sound good and lo-fi(ala Jay Reatards bedroom recordings, etc)when you dont actually have drums and/or a drummer? Ive tried boxes and buckets, but if anyone knows of a better solution besides getting a drummer, lemme know. Thanx.

Anyone read this ultra-expansive and dizzyingly complete volume of how the punk movement got started and ended up influencing the so-called grunge explosion? I need to get the book before it - Babylon's Burning: Rough and Ready Rise of Punk 1973-1978 now, but Punk to Grunge was seriously informative and included everyone involved and their kitchen sink to boot. It is a massive tome(672 pgs), so only those with more than a passing interest might find it a good read(or try the library). Heylin covers the early Cleveland scene(yay! Clevo!), England, LA, NY, DC, Seattle and Aussie. I do wish that more European countries would have been covered or mentioned at least, but what the hey, this is some serious reading for anyone wanting to know how punk rock got kick started.