OK. Live rehearsal; sounds like you'll probably need to treat that room.. especially in the immediate vicinity of your drum set.  This will undoubtedly tame those high frequencies, and maybe save you the expense of a new set of cymbals ;)...

You might also ease up on distortion levels on both guitar and (especially!) vocals... this can always be applied afterwards – in a more "controlled" manner.

Also: try isolating drums-guitar-vocals as best you can when recording live... build some "goboes", use carpets across backs of chairs, hang up blankets – whatever you can think of that might help separate the three... 

:) If you could give me some more info on your session set-up I could probably be more specific.

e.

stiv rippengal said:

the cymbals i have are sabian xs20, which i was led to believe were reasonably good, they have been bashed about a bit so you never know, may finally be time to cough up and get some new ones!

as you said, as a live rehearsal recording the sound was alright, but for anything more than a demo we were thinking of trying to be a little more 'pro' (not the right word at all but i guess you know what i mean...)

dublÉ said:

Not necessarily just a placement issue!.. crap cymbals can be a pain to sort out in a mix, so a better set might be a good investment.

e

stiv rippengal said:

haha yeah i suppose so...it's mainly the cymbals that are all just turning into a mush but i guess that's all down to mic positioning?? won't be going 'hi fi' any time soon though lol

Not necessarily just a placement issue!.. crap cymbals can be a pain to sort out in a mix, so a better set might be a good investment.

e

stiv rippengal said:

haha yeah i suppose so...it's mainly the cymbals that are all just turning into a mush but i guess that's all down to mic positioning?? won't be going 'hi fi' any time soon though lol

Off the bat I would have to say that this sounds very much like a recorded rehearsal, and as such it doesn't sound half bad! :)...  Anyway: In general, muddiness will indicate that you want less of something (certain frequencies, compression, and so on...) but it would be helpful to have some session details... i.e. how many tracks, recording equipment, microphone placement on drums, any effects, etc. etc.... 

Without this information it's hard to say if there is a fix or if you have to do another take.

e

Why do you want it to sound less muddy?

Isn't that the whole point of a two piece band?

hey there, would any of you guys with recording experience be able to clue me up on the best way to make this -

http://soundcloud.com/sonbelly

- sound a little less muddy??

i imagine i'd be a) don't play as loud, b) buy better mics etc, but thought i'd ask anyways...look forward to hearing any feedback!

If anyone/ group of people is coming into town for this event and is looking for a cheaper alternative to a hotel- please consider my Bed & Breakfast

http://www.theisabellaatditmaspark.com/

It's about a 10 minute drive to the Bell House on the other side of Prospect Park. We are opening in Mid-October.

Click the "Media" button (third one from the left) when you go to post your message and paste in the embed code from YouTube or wherever.

stiv rippengal said:

would the weeds/lollipop shoppe fall into this category?? regardless, they are awesome...was going to try putting a video in but dunno how to, check them out anyway if you haven't heard them!

We always open our set with one of our own instrumentals. We only play one cover song per show, and it's always the last song we play. Each show we try to go with a different song, usually a '60s garage track like The Sorrows "No No No No" or 13th Floor Elevators "You're Gonna Miss Me."

not "garage rock" per se, but how about covering this one?

I saw that Todd Phillips was interviewed in Bizarre about the documentary. He even said that Allin would have loved Road Trip, so I bet he would have loved Bad Taste and Meet The Feebles by Peter Jackson.

Let's face it, Allin was just a poor man's Alice Cooper. 

Dave r said:

check out the doco- "hated" (its made by todd phillips who went on to film "old school" and a few of those comedy movies with will farrel) its not bad... the guy was a piece of shit, but an interesting piece of shit i guess... i like bite it you scum, catchy song....

check out the doco- "hated" (its made by todd phillips who went on to film "old school" and a few of those comedy movies with will farrel) its not bad... the guy was a piece of shit, but an interesting piece of shit i guess... i like bite it you scum, catchy song....

THE SEE SEE

I discovered this HUGE band on last.fm....very cool sound indeed....the world needs LP3:):)!!!!

Steve Worrall said:

I'm putting on a gig for The Len Price 3 in London on October 14th, absolutely mind blowing live act with three great albums out, certainly one of my favourite current garage pop mod whatever you wanna call it bands...!

Check out two videos here:

http://youtu.be/gIL8IhIngEM

http://youtu.be/-AT4H7cix_E

Shannon & the Clams, Personal & the Pizzas, the Buff Medways, the Cynics, the Night Howls, King Khan, and the Chatham Singers.

yes!!

Deejay Cheeky Tiki said:

Bloodshot Bill and all his side projects, like the Ding-Dongs (with Mark Sultan aka BBQ), Tandoori Knights (with King Khan), Mark Sultan.

 

If if you have the chance to see him live, he is the true spirit of rock n roll!

 

Cheers!

thanks! i just listen this song and i like it.. I'll search for lp :)

another great band are shapes have fangs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmZmFrakirE

stinkyben said:

1. harlem! http://youtu.be/KClYxxxY-_c

1. harlem! http://youtu.be/KClYxxxY-_c

And the singles are essential too in my opinion. Elka of the Trashwomen has been selling some of her stuff on ebay, nothing up at the moment though. Seller ID is: luxe_vintage

I've only heard Spend the Night With.... Highly recommended.

Garage sure isn't trendy in northern British Columbia, which is why bands can't be dangerous up here. It's hard enough getting gigs at the northern folk festivals (and we do like playing them, it's all we have, plus it's a good way to get in free to a three day party). Bands are thrown out for being too rock and roll, sad but true. So no swearing at the audience or spitting whiskey on them - just ask a band called the Turncoats about their Kispiox experience.

I'm curious to know how NoMeansNo did at Atlin or Dawson City a couple years back? (sorry I didn't make it, it's still two days driving north of here) I used to love seeing NoMeansNo and never felt in danger near the stage. Moshing used to be a lot less violent than it is now, and it was fun. Rock and roll should be fun. I totally agree that passion and energy are often lacking, and are a requirement. But after our first gig a few years ago where we almost got into fights with local rednecks at the local pub, we decided that isn't the way to go for rockers in their 30s and 40s. Passion and energy can just mean a good fucking time is had by all.
Rob Wright said:

The thing I can't down with in regards to the new crop of 'garage' bands is they are all so fucking wimpy!  Where's the danger, the excitement, the punk rock?  I like psych, and I like some stoner-y kinda stuff too, but I need some energy and passion and spite and hate in my rocknroll to really get me going.  I rarely feel an element of danger bands live shows these days, it's either straight up 'bug' music (see: The Flintstones) or it's just so wimpy that I can't get behind it.  I don't need a GG Allin show, but c'mon, make me feel like I might get hurt if I get a little too close to the stage, y'know?!  GIMME DANGER LITTLE STRANGER

Definitely the Nuggets box set and Here Are the Sonics!

Lemon Demon.

ben prestage

Thanks for the tip, Kopper. I'm a little short on computer skills & even less patient. That would have been my next move but my man Frank N. Stroud solved the mystery. Keep up the good work.

kopper said:

OK, first of all, you should probably post this in the Destroy All Music group forum. I'm not sure why you posted it in this regional forum, other than the fact that you might think the band may be from a Midwestern town, but then again you didn't mention that in your post, so who knows! So yeah, post this in that other group (esp. since it's probably an '80s hardcore band, anyway). A lot more members there and people who may be able to help you out.

By the way, if you really want to find out who did the song, rip an MP3 of it and upload it to your profile or attach it to your topic. That way people can actually HEAR the song. It's quite easy these days to take a simple mini plug and run it from a cassette deck into a computer with Audacity (PC) or GarageBand (Mac) and do a digital recording, then export the file as an MP3.

YES! Many thanks, Frank. I have to confess I never would have figured that out. The name of the song is "Indian Eyes" (found it on Youtube). I've never heard of the band. Seems that there are a few songs on the tape by Uniform Choice including "Don't Quit" & "Cut Of A Different Cause". Damn I love this site!

Frank N. Stroud said:

Hey M'Man,

 

I think it's Uniform Choice off of Region Of Ice. Look that up and see if it isn't a match for you.

 

Cheers,

 

FNS

Funhouse Skull said:

I had to hunt the tape down & blow the dust off (these Maxell metal tapes are amazingly enduring) I'm having a hard time making out certain parts, but some of the lyrics are:

      I remember never letting pain remain

      forever lost, falling pieces of a fallen man

      for me & then it comes.

      It happened so long ago, below my clear sight

      Broken pieces of a broken heart as autumn fades to white.

 

     Still a chill in the air, broken skies are everywhere

     But I can't complain. The cold keeps out the rain.

     Gotta fight a fire from a spark inside my mind.

     Can't seem to learn the dreams that seem to burn.

 

    Looking back to the forests & fields again

    I'd make you understand if I could only dreams remain where I stood.

 

There's more, I'm just not sure how much stopping, rewinding & playing a 20 year old cassette tape will tolerate. Again, I'm fairly certain I have some of these wrong, but it's the best I can decipher.I guess my next move is to figure out how to turn a track from a cassette into a file that I can upload to my playlist.

 

Frank N. Stroud said:

Got any more lyrics?..........this is tantalizing.