In my own recording experiences, I don't know that I've ever tried to make something sound crappier, but I have run into a lot of situations where I just wasn't all that concerned with waiting until I could get into a studio, and I wanted to get the song down. Once I had recorded on whatever equipment I had available, I realized the song had enough of a drive and power that I didn't really have a need to rerecord it later. And I've had studio recordings that have actually lost a great deal of raw power when compared to the 4 track demos. But that's probably as much due to lack of ability in a studio as anything else. And pretty much my entire rock and roll life has been strictly for kicks, so when you introduce a desire to actually make something of yourself, lol, these fidelty issues might come into play.

That being said, I think it's all pretty subjective. There's plenty of great bands that I can't even imagine the Steely Dan version of, Guitar Wolf being one. All I ask from a recording is that I can hear the individual instruments, but past that, I'm looking more at the song itself than any particular fidelity.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not so much that I enjoy lo-fi recordings, it's that it doesn't cause me to judge the recording one way or the other. Lo-fi is something that I tend to treat like a extra grungy guitar sound or distorted drums or anything else you play around with when recording to try to make a unique sound.

That's funny that you should say that, I read elsewhere on a guitar snob type forum that the Tuxedo was one of the better ones. Could be a dud I guess. How much did the jupiter set you back? I've been looking at those for a while. I've spent too much on amps lately though.

Dose said:

I owned a Airline Tuxedo replica and after a year of trying to teak & set it up I ended up donating it to the Girls Rock program. Never could get it to feel right. Just got a vintage Silvertone Jupiter that is the bomb, light weight, campy, nice feedback, great feel.

I owned a Airline Tuxedo replica and after a year of trying to teak & set it up I ended up donating it to the Girls Rock program. Never could get it to feel right. Just got a vintage Silvertone Jupiter that is the bomb, light weight, campy, nice feedback, great feel.

I don't know how to describe what it sounds like, but it smells like sex.

Actually, I ran into this same sort of conversation with a coworker, and I finally just told him it was rock and roll that sounds like it gives even less of a shit than it usually gives.

kopper said:

Talking about music is like dancing about architecture. Just give her this link and tell her to listen:

http://www.garagepunk.com/podcastjukebox.html

Oh, and tell her to TURN IT UP!!

RocknRoll at its primitive best. Don't tell her. Show her. More fun that way.

simple you just don't haha. it's like describing color to a blind person

Tell her to watch the shootout scene in Taxi Driver with the volume muted, whilst listening to Surfin' Bird really loudly. That should get her in the mood for enlightenment, either way it can't hurt.

"Classic rock"?...That's a real shame.

"if the kids don't hate it, it ain't Rock 'n' Roll...."

A:
1 - Garage - Sounds like early/60s Rolling Stones or The Who.
2 - Punk - Sounds like early/60s Rolling Stones or The Who LPs played on a cheap stereo on 45 instead of 33. That usually gets them to shut up.

Q:
Why are you talking to "those people?" (Just kidding but not really.)

Classic rock... tsk tsk tsk... I remember seeing 60's punk filed under "oldies but goodies" in a record store in New-York. What a shocker, I'd never seen that in Europe!
I'd define garage as Rock'n'roll for purist with limited abilities filled with teenage lust and electricity. When I say limited abilities it's not derogative, it's my way of saying it's the only genre where the music is all that matters.
And I'd describe the sound as raw, electric, frantic, full of snarls and cumming guitars.

Or I'd just say: "Go and get a copy of nuggets, wanker!"

Talking about music is like dancing about architecture. Just give her this link and tell her to listen: http://www.garagepunk.com/podcastjukebox.html Oh, and tell her to TURN IT UP!!

I was having a conversation this morning with someone in my office who had never heard of garage music before, and she asked what it was.  Because this person was of the age that she might have remembered some of the better known bands, I started by asking if she knew of The Kingsmen.  She said yes, so I said "Songs that sound like Louie Louie."  She said "Oh, like classic rock!"  "Not quite," I told her.  Then she wanted more examples so I threw out The Electric Prunes and The Sonics, but she didn't know them.  I tried to describe frat rock bands of the 50's and 60's with no luck.

Then she asked what punk was, and I told her about bands like The Ramones and The Sex Pistols.  She kind've knew what they were, but only because I mentioned the poppiest of Ramones tunes, "I Wanna Be Sedated."  She had never heard of the Stiff Little Fingers.

This wasn't the first time I've been asked these questions, but I still don't have a good answer.  How do you describe our favorite kind of music to people who aren't in the know?  There's garage, punk, frat rock, rockabilly, psychobilly, surf, primitive rock, budget rock, trash rock, horror surf, hardcore, gunk punk (nod to Eric Davidson for that one)... but how do you describe the sound to people who have never heard of the Stooges, Radio Birdman, Minor Threat, The Mummies, Billy Childish, The Oblivians, and the like?

Definite not-so-closeted metal fan here. I still rock Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, and old Monster Magnet regularly. And Slayer... "Reign In Blood" has been in my possession in one format or another for almost 25 years now, cripes. I still crank it on my iPod every time I vacuum the house. "Reborn" is one of the most savage tunes ever!

I'm also not too up to speed on more current stuff (um, no pun intended), although one of the more recent band I like is The Lord Weird Slough Feg, a great metallic rock band out of the San Francisco area.

Also still fond of some of that metal/punk stuff. Discharge and Amebix come to mind, and Dr. Know did some great stuff - "This Island Earth" is one of my favorite records of any genre, ever. Although I have to concur with Count Brockula, the crossover thing sucked big time for live shows. I was going to punk shows in the SF Bay Area during the mid '80s and got to see the meathead invasion up close and personal. Ugh.

And thanks to Don Sanchez for starting this thread... I'm raising my bottle of Guinness Extra Stout in a toast to all of the people in The Hideout - and everywhere else - who don't limit themselves to one form of music. There is good stuff in almost every genre, you just have to find it! *clink*

dancing is fun dancing is great

BUT


WOMEN AIN'T PROPS

I saw them open for 5678s recently. I wouldn't be pissed off to see them again.

See them if you get a chance.

Yeah, GarageBand is great. Been producing my podcasts on it for five years now!

I haven't owned Mac, so I know nothing about a Garageband, but if you buy an audio interface, some of them bundle each complimentary trial version of a DAW software. For instance, TC Electronic (Ableton Live), Presonus (Studio One) etc, so you may be able to choose a DAW software which you prefer. Anyway, before it, you can download a free versions at each maker's sites.

I love garageband!

As a very rudimentary/basic introduction to using a DAW it's fine. For real recording/mixing it's like trying to tie shoes while wearing boxing gloves. Love my Mac, though. 

I did see both of those movies, but thanks for mentioning them. I would like to see something that focuses on the English Disco scene, rather than Rodney's whole life, sort of like "Studio 54."

John Carlucci said:

There already is a film about Arthur Kane of The New York Dolls, titled "A New York Doll" if you've not seen it. Plus there's a movie about Rodney Bingenheimer called "Mayor Of The Sunset Strip" . Both are quite sobering.
A new photo book came out about Max's Kansas City recently. I was pleasantly surprised to find a photo of my old Band, The Speedies included, though I'm not visible in the shot! lol!



MikeL said:

Since everyone else here has made suggestions for band movies, here are a few of my own.

I would like to see a movie about the New York Dolls, or perhaps one about Johnny Thunders in particular. I would also like to see movies made about the Stooges and the Clash.

I would also like to see movies made about particular scenes, such as the early days of CBGBs, or perhaps the story of Max's Kansas City. Another good one would be Rodney Bingenheimer's English Disco.

There already is a film about Arthur Kane of The New York Dolls, titled "A New York Doll" if you've not seen it. Plus there's a movie about Rodney Bingenheimer called "Mayor Of The Sunset Strip" . Both are quite sobering. A new photo book came out about Max's Kansas City recently. I was pleasantly surprised to find a photo of my old Band, The Speedies included, though I'm not visible in the shot! lol!

MikeL said:

Since everyone else here has made suggestions for band movies, here are a few of my own.

I would like to see a movie about the New York Dolls, or perhaps one about Johnny Thunders in particular. I would also like to see movies made about the Stooges and the Clash.

I would also like to see movies made about particular scenes, such as the early days of CBGBs, or perhaps the story of Max's Kansas City. Another good one would be Rodney Bingenheimer's English Disco.

MikeL said:

Since everyone else here has made suggestions for band movies, here are a few of my own.

I would like to see a movie about the New York Dolls, or perhaps one about Johnny Thunders in particular. I would also like to see movies made about the Stooges and the Clash.

I would also like to see movies made about particular scenes, such as the early days of CBGBs, or perhaps the story of Max's Kansas City. Another good one would be Rodney Bingenheimer's English Disco.

The Cynics and the Fleshtones put on a great show on Friday night. I'll have some pictures to share later on.