thanks mina. we can look up a wiki but we can't look up your mind. is that what you personally think garage to be? (just an aside here that has nothing to do with you but proto and post are probably the two most off putting words in music. they are decidedly UNmusical. again we must say that has nothing to do with you. it was just the appearance of proto that set off a personal alarm) we are all discussing and discussing always includes rambling.

Mina said:

Garage rock is a raw form of rock and roll that was first popular in the United States and Canada from about 1963 to 1967. During the 1960s, it was not recognized as a separate music genre and had no specific name. In the late 1970s, some rock critics retroactively identified it as an early incarnation of punk rock, and it is sometimes called garage punk, protopunk, or 1960s punk; however, the music style has predominantly been referred to as garage rock.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_rock

thanks teen fink but what we wanted to know was what everybody thinks it is. not what it is. we are not saying anybody's personal idea of garage is a bad understanding of garage. we are just curious. curious about how people think about a certain kind of music. the reason we are curious is because it is so slippery. much more slippery than soul or even funk. this is in no way a negative discussion. not trying to PROVE anything just INTERESTED!!!! jesus christ.

TeenFink said:

and that's a bad thing? why do we have to have everything all divided up and separated into nice little categories? to be exclusionary? you wanna know what 'garage music' is? it's real RnR. yes, it's that simple. just like what u like and be done with it.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

sorry but we are very hung up about lots of stuff. reggae is instantly recognizable and people do not wonder about whether a band is playing reggae. the same sure ain't the same with garage.

and that's a bad thing? why do we have to have everything all divided up and separated into nice little categories? to be exclusionary? you wanna know what 'garage music' is? it's real RnR. yes, it's that simple. just like what u like and be done with it.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

sorry but we are very hung up about lots of stuff. reggae is instantly recognizable and people do not wonder about whether a band is playing reggae. the same sure ain't the same with garage.

sorry but we are very hung up about lots of stuff. reggae is instantly recognizable and people do not wonder about whether a band is playing reggae. the same sure ain't the same with garage.

kopper said:

Sure, go ahead. If the shoe fits, wear it. Who cares? You seem awfully hung up on "defining" things.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

what we're looking for is what you gave us. people's personal thoughts. you say raw primal rock and roll. that to us is little richard. should we consider little richard to be garage?

kopper said:

To me, it's just, raw, primal rock'n'roll. But I don't really like to try and "define" a style of music (I think it's one of those things where you know when you hear it). But if you're really looking for definitions, Wikipedia is a pretty good place to start, but check both garage rock and garage punk there.

And remember, talking about music is like dancing about architecture. You want perfect examples of garage? Listen to our podcasts, or the Hideout Comps! You'll hear all sorts of music that falls under the "garage" umbrella.

Sure, go ahead. If the shoe fits, wear it. Who cares? You seem awfully hung up on "defining" things.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

what we're looking for is what you gave us. people's personal thoughts. you say raw primal rock and roll. that to us is little richard. should we consider little richard to be garage?

kopper said:

To me, it's just, raw, primal rock'n'roll. But I don't really like to try and "define" a style of music (I think it's one of those things where you know when you hear it). But if you're really looking for definitions, Wikipedia is a pretty good place to start, but check both garage rock and garage punk there.

And remember, talking about music is like dancing about architecture. You want perfect examples of garage? Listen to our podcasts, or the Hideout Comps! You'll hear all sorts of music that falls under the "garage" umbrella.

very nice. so the thing is is is it something that must be caught at that moment or stuck at that moment? you are not neophytes forever. maybe it can only be true at that point. so as soon as you learn keith's open tuning tricks you no longer qualify.

Gunther Toody said:

"I don't know about garage but I know what I like,

surfin' in the swamp on a saturday night."

Paraphrased from Lux Interior.

Garage is a bunch of musical neophyte nerds doing their best to sound like the Stones or the Kinks or the Yardbirds (or fill in the blanks with any band that gets poonanny, which is the biggest motivator to start a band) but not quite getting there, yet the result is honest and full of piss, energy and vitriol.

 

"I don't know about garage but I know what I like,

surfin' in the swamp on a saturday night."

Paraphrased from Lux Interior.

Garage is a bunch of musical neophyte nerds doing their best to sound like the Stones or the Kinks or the Yardbirds (or fill in the blanks with any band that gets poonanny, which is the biggest motivator to start a band) but not quite getting there, yet the result is honest and full of piss, energy and vitriol.

imhos are what we are curious about. not looking for "official" definitions. your feeling that it is a bag of cats is close to how we think about it. not criticizing but finding it interesting that you are using "garage-rock flair" to describe garage music.

David John de Horton said:

Garage takes ques from all facets of music, from Rock, Blues, Punk, Soul, to Jazz, and ties it together in a dirty, nasty, raw mass of sonic nuts and bolts making a delicious blues-funk stew lightly seasoned with garage-rock flair and dirty, fuzzed-up grooves -IMHO

what we're looking for is what you gave us. people's personal thoughts. you say raw primal rock and roll. that to us is little richard. should we consider little richard to be garage?

kopper said:

To me, it's just, raw, primal rock'n'roll. But I don't really like to try and "define" a style of music (I think it's one of those things where you know when you hear it). But if you're really looking for definitions, Wikipedia is a pretty good place to start, but check both garage rock and garage punk there.

And remember, talking about music is like dancing about architecture. You want perfect examples of garage? Listen to our podcasts, or the Hideout Comps! You'll hear all sorts of music that falls under the "garage" umbrella.

To me, it's just, raw, primal rock'n'roll. But I don't really like to try and "define" a style of music (I think it's one of those things where you know when you hear it). But if you're really looking for definitions, Wikipedia is a pretty good place to start, but check both garage rock and garage punk there.

And remember, talking about music is like dancing about architecture. You want perfect examples of garage? Listen to our podcasts, or the Hideout Comps! You'll hear all sorts of music that falls under the "garage" umbrella.

Garage takes ques from all facets of music, from Rock, Blues, Punk, Soul, to Jazz, and ties it together in a dirty, nasty, raw mass of sonic nuts and bolts making a delicious blues-funk stew lightly seasoned with garage-rock flair and dirty, fuzzed-up grooves -IMHO

is it just a style and if so how would you simply define that style? is it also a state or situation? can a band with a major label or major indie label contract and support be garage? just how fuzzy is the fuzz sound?

Les Breastfeeders from Quebec.

Yeah ,you know what , I'm friends with one of The Rip Offs' sig - others. I KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO be the gai - jin band at a festival in Tokyo , but , I did'nt know what it was called .

Hope it's a success. Our friends in Japan need to have a good time , now , y'know ? 

Marty Shane, Pacifiction Records said:

It's the Back from the Grave Halloween Ball that goes on every year in Tokyo. There are a ton of Japanese garage bands like Guitar Wolf, Jet Boys, The Go Devils, Jackie & the Cedrics and like 30 more... for 2 nites, first show is an all-niter. They usually have a special guest from overseas and this year it's the Rip Offs.

John Battles said:

Yeah , including Roy Loney and The Longshots and The Legendary Stardust Cowboy ! Or , no , waitaminnit that's the Ripoff Records show , is'nt it?

P.S. -THE CYNICS , NOV. 3 , BOTTOM LOUNGE , CHICAGO. Your only excuse is that you live 100 miles away , or more.

Marty Shane, Pacifiction Records said:

The Rip Offs are playing with a slew of Japanese garage bands this weekend at the Back from the Grave Halloween Ball!

Just saw No Alternative, Lewd, d'Jelly Brains and The Naked Lady Wrestlers @Eli's in Oakland, CA last Sat. Great wayback machine trip!

on Friday : The Monsters / King Automatic / Urban Junior

thuesday 3 nov : Guitar Wolf

saturday 5 nov : The Kids

nice

It's the Back from the Grave Halloween Ball that goes on every year in Tokyo. There are a ton of Japanese garage bands like Guitar Wolf, Jet Boys, The Go Devils, Jackie & the Cedrics and like 30 more... for 2 nites, first show is an all-niter. They usually have a special guest from overseas and this year it's the Rip Offs.

John Battles said:

Yeah , including Roy Loney and The Longshots and The Legendary Stardust Cowboy ! Or , no , waitaminnit that's the Ripoff Records show , is'nt it?

P.S. -THE CYNICS , NOV. 3 , BOTTOM LOUNGE , CHICAGO. Your only excuse is that you live 100 miles away , or more.

Marty Shane, Pacifiction Records said:

The Rip Offs are playing with a slew of Japanese garage bands this weekend at the Back from the Grave Halloween Ball!

When I was in Europe every band I heard or saw that used "garage" (or "rockabilly" or "surf" for that matter) to promote themselves were not "garage" at all but more like punk. I figured out that it was these johnny-come-latelys way of saying they liked "garage" but were actually allowing to stay connected to bands they used to listen to like Bauhaus and shit like that (since that's what they sounded like to me). So in that sense, yes, it is trendy.

Most bands that call themselves "garage" nowadays sound like they learned the term from listening to the Cramps 20 years too late.

Kopper nailed it with his comment anyway...

I've lost all touch with when garage rock goes in and out of style. We have plenty of folks up here who play in bands and claim to love "garage rock", but I still can't find a friggin guitarist who wants to play it and 99% of their bands sure 'aint playing garage.

I Love these guys.

Lucky1 said:

The Moon-Rays - self-proclaimed halloween band and spot-on spooky!

I was born in October and it is my favorite month and Halloween, holiday, and love how it can tie into 60s garage.  Very stoked to see the Halloween Podcast recommendations next, but wanted to check back on this string.  Was surprised to see that The Moon-Rays arent on this list. 

 

you can check out samples here...

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/moonrays/from/growthhouse

 

In addition to "Fire", I think "Nightmare", "The Great Spontaneous Apple Creation", "I Put A Spell On You" and especially "Rest Cure" are his best tunes. I've always wondered if anyone ever sampled the bassline from "Rest Cure"...maybe Madlib?

Got a live radio show on KGRG fm Auburn and Real Punk Radio airs 7pm to 10pm PST, right in between Seattle and Tacoma. The show plays nothing but psychotronic rock and roll: The first hour is the 'billy, second is usually garage punk the third is something like surf and 60's garage. The live feed is in HD, but there are lo-fi, mono recordings at www.zorchradio.com.

I just uploaded episode 70 over the weekend, which featured two hours of local music and then a re-broadcast of Gone Mental. We also replay oldies of RadiOblivion once a month. Cuz it's rad.

This week, some people that are calling in: Bill from Season of Nightmares, Danny from The Tomorrow Men, and local burlesque/model Aly Hellcat.

I'm always down for working with bands, other DJ's, promoters etc. Just hit me up. It's all non-profit, non-commercial. No money involved. Cheers.

I love everything Niagara does :):):)

Yep, saw that hardcore doc...

Do you have the book Treat Me Like Dirt by Liz Worth? It's on Bongobeat records and details the whole scene via interviews. Lots on The Viletones, Teenage Head, Diodes, etc...Oh, and Diodes here in London Nov 18 or 19 at Call The Office...4 original members. You should be able to get the book that night.

Also coming out soon, the doc about the last punk show at The Horseshoe in Toronto, The Last Pogo....sometime soon, just signed some forms for a picture of mine that will be used in the doc...

It would be great to see a feature length doc.  Have you seen the documentary on TVO about the Toronto hardcore scene from the late 90's maybe?  It's kinda like a "what are they doing now" kinda thing, featuring members of Direct Action, Bunchafuckingoofs, and a couple others.  There seems to be lots of micro-docs, often done for TV.