I imagine it's kind of important to remember the physical and cultural landscapes of the two countries. Many of the things that are valued in America are often seen as crass and vulgar in Britain, and just like if you compare British and American hiphop today you see a massive difference. Not only that but the physical landscape is different too; Britain doesn't have rampant gun culture, vast swathes of untouched wilderness, mythical highways etc.

And this totally comes out in the music. Sure bands have done covers of American songs but can you imagine a British band ever writing a song like Viva Las Vegas, New York, I've Been Everywhere? The Kinks sang Waterloo Sunset which touches feelings on a trainstation but singing about a city or a place in Britain with anything less than a deep dose of irony, melachony or sarcasm sounds embarrassing. It's why you don't have thousands of songs about London.

I'd add The Long Ryders and a few British bands who were lumped into the C86 scene that I thought were playing in a similar vein, McCarthy, The Wolfhounds, early Primal Scream and The Loft. In fact you could probably call most of the C86 bands jangle pop - The Primitives, Tallulah Gosh, Shop Assistants, early Soup Dragons and The Chesterfields.

I always liked Green On Red, especially their forays into country music and their organ laced compositions that suggests that Doors influence. I'm surprised I don't have more by Chris Stamey, the db's, the Connells, and Let's Active, since they're regional acts in regards to geographics (I'm in VA, they're all based out of NC). I really liked the Bangles earlier work, when they were known as the Bangs, and I think the Three O' Clock was the only "white pop" band that Prince signed to his Paisley Print record label. Coincidentally, he wrote "Manic Monday" for the Bangles (not a favorite of theirs by any means). Thanks for listing these, I'm making notes to track down more by them, and making a note to gather more by the bands I was already familiar with!

The Lizardmen said:

Jangle Pop:

Let's Active

The Windbreakers

The Bongos

The dB's

Chris Stamey

Bobby Sutliffe

Tim Lee

The Connells

Don Dixon

Green On Red

The Swimming Pool Q's

Right As Rain

Arms Akimbo

The Nightporters

Miracle Legion

Winter Hours

The Primitons

 

Paisley Underground:

The Three O'Clock

Rain Parade

The Bangles

Dream So Real

Jangle Pop:

Let's Active

The Windbreakers

The Bongos

The dB's

Chris Stamey

Bobby Sutliffe

Tim Lee

The Connells

Don Dixon

Green On Red

The Swimming Pool Q's

Right As Rain

Arms Akimbo

The Nightporters

Miracle Legion

Winter Hours

The Primitons

 

Paisley Underground:

The Three O'Clock

Rain Parade

The Bangles

Dream So Real

For those that don't know what it is, it's a music form that became extremely popular in the '80's (mainly college radio) that harked a return to jangly guitars and '60's harmonies. I'm willing to bet that 90% of you here on the Hideout already knew that, but hey, just in case some of you didn't...There was a whole slew of bands that came out during this initial heavy wave, mainly associated with the "Paisley Underground". Personally, I like listening to it, and the reason I wanted to start this discussion was to get your opinions on what bands you liked, you recommend (I know I haven't heard ALL of them), album suggestions. Or you can even bring up bands that have been called "jangle pop" but you don't agree with that categorization. And there's always room for debates, like was Tom Petty's early songs in that genre? Not a fan of his, but it's well known that he was heavily influenced by the Byrds. Of course technically, jangle pop was a throwback to the '60's, so there were a number of bands in the '70's that plyed that sound as well. You can go on Wikipedia, and they list a number of bands that they put in this category (R.E.M.'s early work, Guadalcanal Diary, the Church, etc.) So just wanting to see your thoughts on this subject, and who knows? Some of your suggestions could increase my music shopping list!

What they didn,t mention was that the BBC will slash 280 jobs at 40 stations, and they had a debate on the (death of local radio).

I Was there in spirit, and I met Mr Lowry. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Digital switchover 2015.

Copyright laws being fixed to coincide.

Whatever happened to advances from record companies.Seen it done and seen it blown!

Peel was great>

itunes----------Dont use it.

Too many gadgets.

CDs killed the music industry.(indestructable)

This message will self destruct in 5 seconds?/??????????????

But I digress.....I think iTunes was the topic.   Very sorry.  Continue on.

Well, in Pete's defense you don't stop doing something you love just because you pass the retirement age. What the hell is 66 anymore?   Much of his performing generates a lot of money for charitible causes.  Case in point: 

 

Rock legends Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend of the Who say they owe much of their musical success to teenagers. In a heartfelt repayment, the two will announce the launch of the UCLA Daltrey/Townshend Teen & Young Adult Cancer Program, which will serve teens and young adult cancer patients at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.

The new program — the first of its kind in the United States — will build on the previous successful efforts of the Teenage Cancer Trust, which has helped fund 19 special teen cancer units in the United Kingdom.

Rock icon Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin, who has been closely involved with the program in the U.K., will also attend the news conference to lend his support.

The rockers will all sign a guitar during the press conference that will be hung on the wall in the new UCLA cancer unit. For more information, CLICK HERE

I only use it for podcasts and have never purchased one penny's worth of music from it.  For podcasts I regard it as excellent and truly have never explored the full potential of iTunes so I don't feel 100% qualified to bag on it.  That said, it has become the establishment of the music industry.  Because of the technological ease of use it has become the gorilla at the top of the heap as far as distribution is concerned.  Instead of peels, toss down a few banan-ers there gorilla-man!

There are some interesting points here about the modern music business. Take a look. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/01/pete-townshend-john-peel-lecture

Yeah , some of his stuff I like . Some , not so much. I heard when Randy and Spirit toured with Arthur Lee and Love in the 90's , Randy would do his obligatory rap about what great friends he and Hendrix were (I saw him do that before a stiff "Red House"). Arthur would stand in the sidelines , going "HE HATED YOU !!!".

Axel Björnsson said:

Randy California of Spirit had a bunch of wimpy guitar scales. Maby it's the cause of his jazzy background.

Good example the solo in dark eyed woman. great fucking guitarist...

....I'm trying to remember , was'nt the solo on "Get Back" by Lennon , not Harrison? I just remember , when Kicks Magazine ran their "Name the worst Beatles song" contest , somebody said "For You , Blue" because "John Lennon always complained of not getting to take a guitar solo , and then , when he did , this is what happened !". It was a few bars on the slide guitar , hardly warranting Harrison's heavy compliment , "Elmore James got nothing on this baby !". Jagger would'nt have even said THAT about Brian Jones on a record in 1964. I seem to remember Lennon playing that , admittedly thin , solo on "Get Back" in the "Let It Be" movie , but , I could be mistaken.

It's not a concept , I'm afraid , it's a reality. People who think they know it all , and won't talk to you , except in a very condescending manner , unless you have no life , and have accumulated the same amount of information they have. Now , some people can obtain and store a lot of trivial knowledge in a very short amount of time. It's a good thing to be knowledgeable about the "Garage" genre , it's an interesting topic , to say the least. It's not a good thing to act superior if others don't share your fervor. I live in the real world , where some people dig this stuff , but , barely enough to notice . Like most of you , I'd imagine , I'm deluged with Rap and Hip Hop , a multi - multi billion dollar industry , but , IT's "Underground" , while the music I'm not forcing on other people is'nt.

I guess a REAL Garage Nazi would make people listen to Garage Rock , instead of letting 'em listen to whatever it is they want to listen to.

swt said:

"Garage Nazis" is a scary concept. But I know what you mean.

....And , Paul Burlison almost single - handedly created what we now call "Punk" or "Garage" guitar. He and Link Wray , with Pat Hare's "I'm Gonna Murder My Baby" before them , all years before fuzztone pedals were commercially available. It's good to be a good guitar player , if you can go easy on the wankery. Guitarists who go out of their way to sound BAD , i don't have a lot of patience for.

Mitchhz said:

I beg to disagree. Good guitar playing is part and parcel of wild primitive rock'n'roll just as much as minimalist guitar playing! Paul Burlinson and Cliff Gallup were excellent guitar players. Some of the finest garage songs displayed great expertise in terms of guitar work: The Recalls' Reesie and Nobody's Guy are killers, so is Project Blue by the Banshees. Or what about In the Past by We the People? I hear it's very hard to play (by the way check out the excellent French version La fermeture éclair by Belgian yéyé girl Delphine)!

 

So garage addicts should reclaim good guitar playing. Let's not leave it to bores like Mark Knopfler or Clapton!

Patrick said:

I think songs like "Wild Man" and "Born Loser" have a haunting minimalisitc quality of the primitive garage style.  Garage Punk in my opinion, was never a genre to display techincal mastery, that was left to the Progressive Rock (Led Zeppelin, Rush, Black Sabbath, Cream, Hendrix). To me, it's about a primitive inarticulate emotion.  A form of musical expression unrefined, experimental, raw, channeled within the confines of it's own limitations.  I do agree reluctantly, that the guitar was a little bit thin.  It could have been produced and engineered better (maybe some backround rhythm gtr).  I think though, if you put those early songs within the context of their times they were revolutionary as far as the dark theatrical "psychotic" impression they produced.  I guess I would just hate to see some bands butcher great songs by running them through a Grunge processor.

Had the great privilidge of not only meeting but hanging out with sky saxon (R.I.P. Dude) some years ago. a great & enlightenin' experience. but I really wanna see the chesterfield kings but don't know if they plan to play in the uk?

Mark , Never heard of this. It could have been a recording by some ex-members of the group ? The way that Larry Tamblyn and Tony Valentino regrouped as The Standells in the 80's and released a reportedly Heavy Metal - sounding remake of "Try It" with a laughable original called "Sixties Band". I'll withold judgement , because I've never actually heard it. But , is the A-side the original "Nobody But Me"? If the B-side sounds like the hit versions of "NBM" and "Nobody But Me" and "Mony Mony" "Mashed" together , it might be a DJ who got permission to do a small pressing of a remix and the original.

The Big Mix – 1/14/11

1 – Keep Britain Untidy – Peter and the Test Tube Babies

2 – The 13^th Floor – The Urges

3 – Little Egypt – Downliners Sect

4 – My Baby Left Me – Elvis

5 – The Seeker – Dexter Romweber Duo

6 – Mr. Bad Luck – Jimi Hendrix

7 – Nitro – Dick Dale

8 – 4 Leaf Clover – Old 97s w/ Exene

9 – No Need To Be Rude – Black Hollies

10 – Lula Bop Be – Johnny Bach and the Moonshine Boozers

•  

11 – Breathless – Jerry Lee Lewis

12 – Medley w/ Theme From The X-Files – Phantom Surfers

13 – Hubcap Hunch – Hasil Adkins and S.C.O.T.S.

14 – Waxy’s Dargle – The Pogues

15 – Why Why Why – Paul Revere and the Raiders

16 – Double Talkin’ Baby – Gene Vincent

17 – Shake – Tom Waits

18 – Wild Jane – The Ripoffs

19 – Boredom – The Buzzcocks

20 – We Want The Airwaves – The Ramones

21 – Big City After Dark – Link Wray

22 – Cuttin’ Out – The Pirates

23 – Ya Ya – The Kaisers

24 – I Dig Everything – Generation X

•  

25 – Open My Eyes – The Nazz

26 – Motorhead – Hawkwind

27 – Too Much Paranoias - Devo

The Big Mix – 1/7/11

1 – Louie Louie Music – Armitage Shanks

2 – I Got You Babe – The Cynics

3 – Sunrise (Turn On) – The Chesterfield Kings

4 – Snatchin’ and Grabbin’ – Bob Wills

5 – Don’t You Rock Me Daddy-O – Lonnie Donnegan

6 – Drag Me – The De-Fenders

7 – You Are Not Your Job – Gas Huffer

8 – Contact In Red Square – Blondie

9 – It’s Your Curse – Lord High Fixers

10 – 13 Stations – Cornflake Zoo

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11 – Goodbye – The Coral

12 – Going To Wichita – Deadbolt

13 – Delmonica – Dwarves

14 – Skinny Jim – Eddie Cochran

15 – Medication – Chocolate Watch Band

16 – Cool Deaths – The Oh Sees

17 – Rip It Up – Buddy Holly

18 – Get Rid Of That Girl – The Donnas

19 – Spitting Quarters – Scared Of Chaka

21 – It’s Trash – The Cave Men

•  

22 - Hard Lovin’ Man – The Fleshtones

23 – Rat Race – Bob Marley

24 – Rollin’ Over – Small Faces

25 – Universal Vagrant – Chords Five

26 – A Northwest Passage – International Noise Conspiracy

27 – Voodoo Doll – Gore Gore Girls

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28 – I Lie – Naked Raygun

29 – River Deep, Mountain High – The Saints

30 – Clones – Oblivians

31 – Death Hammer Overload – Motor Jesus

32 – Generation Genocide – Mudhoney

33 – Earth Love – Guitar Wolf

34 – Little Piece Of Action – The Makers

35 – Devil’s Magic Pants – Humpers

36 – Top Down – Teenage Head

The Big Mix – 12/31/10

1 - ‘Neath A Cold Gray Tomb Of Stone – Hank Williams

2 – Ramblin’ Man – Hank Williams

3 – I’ll Never Get Out Of This World Alive - Hank Williams

4 – Alcohol And Pills – Fred Eaglesmith

5 – Start The Party – The Dirtbombs

6 – Let’s Have A Party – 5.6.7.8.s

7 – Are You Drinking With Me Jesus – Beat Farmers

8 – Somebody Put Something In My Drink – The Ramones

9 – Booze Party – Three Aces and a Joker

10 – Hit Me Again – Mystery Girls

11 – That Ole Mountain Dew – Grandpa Jones

12 – Drinkin’ Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee – Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio

• Break

13 – Whiskey Headed Woman – Lightnin’ Hopkins

14 – Having A Wild Weekend – Long John Thomas and the Duffs

15 – Texas Jail Cell – Jon Wayne Band

16 – Thunderbird ESQ – The Gories

PSA – Ravi Shankar

17 – High On Drugs – Full Time Men

18 – Mad Dog 20/20 – The Woggles

19 – Whisky In The Jar – The Dubliners

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20 – Wang Dang Doodle – Howlin’ Wolf

21 – Your Head Is Reeling – Ultimate Spinach

22 – Another Beer – Armitage Shanks

23 – Cryin’ Drunk - Old 97s

24 – Log Jammer – Shang-A-Lang

25 – Huff All Night – The Donnas

26 – Lime Rickey – Chicken Hawks

27 – Got The Time – Joe Jackson

28 – Haze Of Drink – Slobberbone

29 – I Couldn’t Get High – The Fugs

30 – Squad Car – Eddie and the Showmen    

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This is really a depressing comp. Depressing in a really good way. Wylde Mammoth - Nothing I can do is one of the best too.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_qYvTaSdM&feature=related

 

Thijs Oosterbaan said:

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

 

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&produ...

That is a GREAT comp. I would also highly recommend the I'm Down Today, Nobody to Love, and You Treated Me Bad Teenage Shutdown (Crypt) comps. All great stuff.

Thijs Oosterbaan said:

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

 

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&produ...

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

 

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=951

The Pack AD are really good, don't know about them staying true to the old school Garage though...

I'd say Weirdonia but that's just douchey on my part and untrue