THAT'S PROBABLY ALSO TRUE.... If they got away from each other long enough , I'm sure they  could all be pleasant. I don't know anybody that ever knew them , tho'. A friend of mine literally ran into Pete in Richmond , UK. HE SAID HE WAS IN A BIG HURRY AND DID'NT STOP TO BICKER , Just as my friend did'nt block his way , to talk about Guitars.
 
dave said:

Hi John,

Thanks for hipping me to 'Call Me Lightning' I'd never heard it. Liked it so much I put it in a mixtape ...

Yeah, over in the States The Who seem to be criminally overlooked. As far as British Invasion stuff goes, for me they are part of the Holy Trinity: Stones/Who/Kinks (Beatles were the tip of the wedge, opening the way for others [betters?]...)

I love loud crunchy chords with lyrics, harmonies, as well as a bit of Baroque Pop, so only the Kinks come close (but they have that feyness that makes 'em the Kinks, The Who always seemed tough to me. Daltrey wasn't merely a tough guy, he had that great raspy vocal delivery).

I didn't find out about 'em 'til I was a Jam fan (barely play them anymore. The Who, always).

Incidentally, have y'all seen this, Amazing Journey: The Story of The Who (2007) part 1

Fucking amazing white-boy R&B, smokin' stuff!

(Part of me still wishes they had kept with the R&B, wow...)

Still a Moon fan, tho' Kenny was great in the Small Faces (another overlooked band in America, dimmit!)

Hey, look what I found!

The High Numbers (The Who) live in 1964

Dave , Yeh, I recently found that "Amazing Journey" set, great stuff , especially the rare as fuck High Numbers performance of "OO Poo Pah Doo" and another R'n'B song I forget.

Daltrey looks badass , utterly full of himself with those big bug wraparound shades , but , that's what that band needed. But , I don't , personally , consider The Who to be part of The  British Invasion , if only because , by the time they conquered America in earnest , the Invasion was over. They were TRYING during the Stones/Who /Beatles /Animals /DC5 onslaught , to be sure. "Call Me Lightning" was a minor U.S. hit , so , the 45 , backed with Entwistle's  Horror classic , "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", is still pretty easy to find.

Los Johnny Jets , from Mexico , their version , as "Dam Dam" is killer , even replicating Entwistle's second greatest solo/bridge to a tee. I even found a budget CD in Mexico with a remake of "Dam Dam", probably from the 90's , that's even better than their original recording !

I'm not saying Moon can be touched (Tho' Ringo's kid is doing an awfully credible job.),

but , I saw The Who in 1980 , with Kenny Jones , of course , and damned if he did'nt hold down the fort. The Small Faces still don't get their due in America , but people who SHOULD be fans would rather listen to Northern Snore. Not that you can't like both.

P.S What you said about Moonie having prollems, hmmm, I have to agree, But, it's interesting to note that in an interview (name escapes me, sry) he said that, while he and Roger may come off as people who may have an ax to grind, they were not.

Pete, however, WAS.

Hi John,

Thanks for hipping me to 'Call Me Lightning' I'd never heard it. Liked it so much I put it in a mixtape ...

Yeah, over in the States The Who seem to be criminally overlooked. As far as British Invasion stuff goes, for me they are part of the Holy Trinity: Stones/Who/Kinks (Beatles were the tip of the wedge, opening the way for others [betters?]...)

I love loud crunchy chords with lyrics, harmonies, as well as a bit of Baroque Pop, so only the Kinks come close (but they have that feyness that makes 'em the Kinks, The Who always seemed tough to me. Daltrey wasn't merely a tough guy, he had that great raspy vocal delivery).

I didn't find out about 'em 'til I was a Jam fan (barely play them anymore. The Who, always).

Incidentally, have y'all seen this, Amazing Journey: The Story of The Who (2007) part 1

Fucking amazing white-boy R&B, smokin' stuff!

(Part of me still wishes they had kept with the R&B, wow...)

Still a Moon fan, tho' Kenny was great in the Small Faces (another overlooked band in America, dimmit!)

That would'nt surprise me in the the least , but ,, The Who  AND The Troggs had everything to do with the development of The MC5  sound. Sometimes , quite literally. Everyone knows "I Want You Right Now" is an uncredited rewrite of "I WantYou" by The Troggs , but , "Black To Comm" also has bits and pieces of "Out in The Street" by The Who
 thrown in , too. As I'm sure you know , you could count all the public screenings of "A True Testimonial" on your thumbs. It showed once in Chicago with Wayne , Michael and Dennis present . Naturally , their names were'nt mentioned beforehand , and , naturally , I was told the movie sold out , when , of course , it did'nt. Later , there was going to be a five day run , but , that was when Kramer and Filmmaker , David Thomas , had their falling out. Short story long ,I've seenthe film ,but, it's been years.....
Gringo Starr said:

It's well known that the MC5 blew thee 'OO away at the Grande Ballroom. I can't think of another band that could possibly do that at that time (besides the five). The story is that the Five had the Who shaking in their boots backstage. Working class Detroit boys trump working class London boys any day. See "MC5: A True Testimonial" documentary for all the details.

It's well known that the MC5 blew thee 'OO away at the Grande Ballroom. I can't think of another band that could possibly do that at that time (besides the five). The story is that the Five had the Who shaking in their boots backstage. Working class Detroit boys trump working class London boys any day. See "MC5: A True Testimonial" documentary for all the details.

Of course , in Chicago , we have every language spoken that you could imagine....I'm sure you noticed that when you were here... I used to help a couple of my neighbors with their English lessons , just because I could see they were trying, and deserved to be encouraged.

Whatever language you're trying to learn, you do have to be around people who speak it fluently to  pick up on certain , more subtle things. Of course , Castillo , or Castillian Spanish is radically different from Mexican Spanish. I'm certainly not fluent in Spanish ,but , I live near a Mexican community , and , even though a lot of them speak English, I try to pick up on things they're saying in Spanish.

Of course , Johnny and June did some other great duets, like "If I Were a Carpenter" and "It Ain't Me , Babe". June started out as a comedian , if you've ever seen early footage from Th 50'S.
 
Tersicore said:

Hey John! Thank YOU for your kind words of encouragement!!

(Haha, too funny!... but looks like we do have in Europe some schools for raping German, Italian and other languages, as well!) :D

My English´s been better at the time i was living in Chicago for half a year, about 20 Years ago but since then it got worse and worse, of course.
Languages always needs to be trained and this´s what i´m trying to do   here now but sometimes when you guys talks is just Greek to me, so i go   on the theory that my knowledge can´t be that good! Adding at that my   (by now) poor vocabulary... at times i think i could sound boring, you know? BUT I´ll SPEAK UP ANYWAY AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO SUFFER! :D

Is much better to speak spanish in Mexico, so you are much less "Gringo" ;)

John Battles said:

AND , THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS , TERSICORE.

YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT RAPING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE , HERE , QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

IF YOU WENT TO OUR SCHOOLS , YOU MIGHT HAVE LEARNED HOW TO........
 

and

Teriscore , Hey , never apologize for your English. I think it's great that people make an effort to learn. It's not as though I speak Spanish fluently , but, people dig it when I try. When I go to Mexico , much of it comes back to me.If you were ever able to visit The US , or , even Britain , I think you'd find your English is better than you give yourself credit for.
 
Tersicore said:

WoW!  Sounds cool!! Thanx

Copy the embed code you find under the YT-clip: (>share>embed) and paste on "media". sorry my english sucks, hope you got it! 

ROCKANDROLLSEN said:

**BUD AND KATHY - HANG IT OUT TO DRY

Im new to this, how do I get it to come up with a thumbnail of the video. 

 

You´re right, for sure there is more than "Jackson" and
even better than this, but i can´t recall right now..

"..someone who know the words...." She´s so cute!

A´m agree about Sparky, he should carry on with a solo career, as well.

I like his voice immensely!
To be honest after seen his face without makeup i´ve also realized how
HOT this guy is! (I can´t help it, i love scars!)

John Battles said:

Boy , I've never heard Sparky singing in a context like THIS.   I saw Demented Are Go several years ago , and , by that time , they'd already lost any Rockabilly influence , sounding more like Motorhead than any of their records I had.....That's OK , it was entertaining. But , Sparky might have himself a future as a Murder Balladeer , ala Nick Cave.

"Jackson" , nothing that needs to be added , is there?

Hey John! Thank YOU for your kind words of encouragement!!

(Haha, too funny!... but looks like we do have in Europe some schools for raping German, Italian and other languages, as well!) :D

My English´s been better at the time i was living in Chicago for half a year, about 20 Years ago but since then it got worse and worse, of course.
Languages always needs to be trained and this´s what i´m trying to do   here now but sometimes when you guys talks is just Greek to me, so i go   on the theory that my knowledge can´t be that good! Adding at that my   (by now) poor vocabulary... at times i think i could sound boring, you know? BUT I´ll SPEAK UP ANYWAY AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO SUFFER! :D

Is much better to speak spanish in Mexico, so you are much less "Gringo" ;)

John Battles said:

AND , THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS , TERSICORE.

YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT RAPING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE , HERE , QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

IF YOU WENT TO OUR SCHOOLS , YOU MIGHT HAVE LEARNED HOW TO........
 

and

Teriscore , Hey , never apologize for your English. I think it's great that people make an effort to learn. It's not as though I speak Spanish fluently , but, people dig it when I try. When I go to Mexico , much of it comes back to me.If you were ever able to visit The US , or , even Britain , I think you'd find your English is better than you give yourself credit for.
 
Tersicore said:

WoW!  Sounds cool!! Thanx

Copy the embed code you find under the YT-clip: (>share>embed) and paste on "media". sorry my english sucks, hope you got it! 

ROCKANDROLLSEN said:

**BUD AND KATHY - HANG IT OUT TO DRY

Im new to this, how do I get it to come up with a thumbnail of the video. 

 

I was in touch with Exene ,for a while , on My Space. I asked her,  did she know about Beavis and Butthead doing the riff from "Nausea" (" DEEEHHH DEEEHHH DAAA NAAA DAA NAA DEHHHH DEHHHHH!!!!".) In a couple of cartoons. She said yes !
 
John Battles said:

 I know this belongs somewhere else , but some people were saying X had sold out as early as "Under The Big Black Sun" , their third album. One friend even told me John and Exene were "Sellouts" just because they were married instead of just living together ! HUH?!! What a load doo doo caca poo poo shiser.

It was'nt until "Ain't Love Grand" (As Nero noted.) that they lost the script. Maybe they were pressured into doing something ''Commercially viable"  for the first time. But , I saw 'em on that tour, and those songs sounded all right , live. It helped that Dave Alvin was there. Not surprising that he could handle more hard - edged stuff , as he'd played on The Flesheaters' best album.   A couple of years later , when they resurfaced with "See How We Are" , they sounded more Roots than Punk , but coughed up some good songs with none of that annoying studo sheen from the previous LP.

AND , THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS , TERSICORE.

YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT RAPING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE , HERE , QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

IF YOU WENT TO OUR SCHOOLS , YOU MIGHT HAVE LEARNED HOW TO........
 
Tersicore said:

Yep Nero, on acoustic background both sounds great as well!
Thanx, never heard before!

Nero said:

Gotta admit, I'm a huge X fan myself. I'd go so far as to rate the first four albums, up to 'More Fun In The New World'; could never get past the terrible sound of 'Ain't Love Grand', though. However, the Knitters did do a great version of 'Burning House of Love', which is surely tailor made for this thread that you've got going!

Tersicore said:

I must admit, a sit of honor goes to X  on this thread. The way you describe the two voices John, is just perfect! The symbiosis of the two voices is the characteristic feature distinguish this band from any other at any time.
I still love the first two albums (Los Angeles most) and because i discovered those amazing early vids i can´t help but posting:
(BTW:sorry for raping your language!)

DAMN! I wish so bad, i had been present, among the audience!!
but at least, we in Europe, could listen to the "No NY" and the "Yes LA" compilations even on the same day, quite without shame! :D

John Battles said:

I thought somebody did mention X , or , I would have , earlier....John and Exenes' vocals are like watching stunt planes....I mean , sometimes perfectly aligned , and sometimes going off in other  directions ,  and coming back. People said Exene could'nt carry a tune , but , X had a plan. It was / is a perfect vessel for her. Besides , that's a load of rubbish. I've always loved her voice , from the first time I heard it , more than 30 years ago. Of course  she's really come into her own doing Country MATERIAL , ON HER OWN AND WITH THE KNITTERS.
 
Mutants of the Holocaust said:

What?! No references to 'X'? How about their cover of Breathless for starters.

..and for a change of tempo...Leonard Cohen/Jenifer Warnes - Joan of Arc ..beautiful.

If I'd had 20 choices , I'd already  have considered putting Brown on my list , which is no slight on his importance , nor his enormous talent as a writer , singer and even dancer . He's VERY difficult to classify , as he's done early Space Rock , Post - Freakbeat Psych- Rock , Electronica (Not the butt - shakin' , coke snortin' variety , HA HA.), AND HIS OWN TAKE ON BLUES and R'n'B.   THE HELL OF IT IS , HE'S PROBABLY AN EVEN BETTER SINGER , NOW , THAN WHEN MY BROTHERS AND I USED TO PLAY OUR "FIRE' SINGLE IN THE DARK AND SCARE THE PISS OUT OF OURSELVES.   
Chris Henniker said:

I considered him as a possible wild card, but my lists would be too big otherwise.

The Revox said:

Have someone mentioned the great Arthur Brown ?? He should be in the top of the list even if he didn't play garage !

I considered him as a possible wild card, but my lists would be too big otherwise.

The Revox said:

Have someone mentioned the great Arthur Brown ?? He should be in the top of the list even if he didn't play garage !

Have someone mentioned the great Arthur Brown ?? He should be in the top of the list even if he didn't play garage !

Yes , for the "Snatch and The Poontangs" LP ALONE , Johnny Otis should have his own wing in the Hall of Fame. That, and his gallant efforts to save The Party Record (Leroy and Skillet , LaWanda Page , Mantan Moreland , etc.). 
 
James Porter said:

Johnny Otis

Really?? Midnight Oil? Huh... I guess their album sales would put them up there. But if you say Midnight Oil... I say nah mate, Cold CHISEL... at least Barnsey could SING. And Ian Moss can play the gee-tar.

Stanton Woods said:

I would like to see... In no particular order:

1. Midnight Oil

2. The Minutemen

3. Black Flag

4. The Meters (I think they've been nominated)

5. Fugazi

6. Lou Barlow

7. Wire

8. Rocket from the Crypt

9. Junior Brown (A stretch, but he can definitely rock)

10. Morphine 

Johnny Otis

I would like to see... In no particular order:

1. Midnight Oil

2. The Minutemen

3. Black Flag

4. The Meters (I think they've been nominated)

5. Fugazi

6. Lou Barlow

7. Wire

8. Rocket from the Crypt

9. Junior Brown (A stretch, but he can definitely rock)

10. Morphine 

Melissa , I remember , Mick Farren was part of a big panel of celebs in Roctober (BTW , Deviants , Pink Fairies , Jesse Hector , Third World War.......) that was asked "Should Pat Boone be in The Rock 'n'Roll Hall of Fame?". He said , "Not when Roky Erickson and Syd Barrett are'nt in it. Is Gene Vincent in it , yet?". He was , by then , but , of course , buried under Kool and The Gang , James Taylor and Bread.

At least , most of the (Then- ) surviving Elevators were honored by The Texas Music Hall of Fame.....
 
melissa scott said:

Yes, Roky Erickson should already be in. That's a no brainer. Politics and $$$ make the H o F what it is, no? And, it's expensive. :(

I like Darnielle's too. I think it brings more insight to the table than a straight historical take on the band.

But , the book I saw , I think , was more of a Motorhead bio than one specifically about Lemmy. If it had been the book you read , I would have bought it..Especially as it was literally one of the only things left at Crown Books' Going Out of BUSINESS sALE...This one looked like it was probably chock full of omissions.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Nah, that was the authentic "written by Lemmy" autobio. Trust me, if it had been ghostwritten they would have omitted some of the redundancies, tightened up the Time-frame and probably tried to make him seem less infatuated with himself.

That said, it was a fun read, and reminds me why I left "the Road."

John Battles said:

Was that an unauthorized Lemmy bio? i SAW A BOOK LIKE THAT at Crown Books , just before they went out of business. I can't remember why I didnt buy it....
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

Thanks for the link. I'll have to read it , later , as my eyes are shot to Hell at the moment....

It does'nt seem like he had enough proof to substantiate the claim , but , I'd have to read the piece , first.
 
Chris Henniker said:

That's what Paul Gambaccini said,  Saville was a necrophile .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrop...

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

That's what Paul Gambaccini said,  Saville was a necrophile .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrophiliac-says-colleague-Paul-Gambaccini.html

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

Nah, that was the authentic "written by Lemmy" autobio. Trust me, if it had been ghostwritten they would have omitted some of the redundancies, tightened up the Time-frame and probably tried to make him seem less infatuated with himself.

That said, it was a fun read, and reminds me why I left "the Road."

John Battles said:

Was that an unauthorized Lemmy bio? i SAW A BOOK LIKE THAT at Crown Books , just before they went out of business. I can't remember why I didnt buy it....
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

It probably was , but , apart from the fact that a lot of famous and semi - famous people appeared on it , I don't know very much about it. It could have been meant as a Naz Nomad - style put - on , but , at least that's a good record ! The Seclusions' LP would have been a lot better without all the annoying Disco beats....
 
Chris Henniker said:

Wasn't that done as a joke?

John Battles said:

If you want a good head - scratcher , seek out The Seclusions' album. Probably the only 60's Garage - Disco crossover album , EVER. Joey Ramone , Mickey Leigh (His Brother.) , Holly Beth Vincent (Joey's then - girlfiend.) , Jay Dee Daugherty , Busta Jones, and a plethora of other names  could'nt savethe record from being much more than a curiosity.