Well, the thing is Pete I am not sure if that is the sound I am after. I have a pretty good inkling it is, but if you read my post, I was asking, also, if anybody had any experience or links to tracks that utilized the effect so I could get a better idea. Pete said:

John White said:

Check out the Boss VE-20 vocal foot pedal, you can do many different sounds with it. It has a distortion setting that I'm sure can create that effect if you play with it enough.

I just watched a youtube video, and apparantly there's a preset on the VE-20 that's called 'Harmonica', which is meant to mimic a Green Bullet. Pretty interesting, but if the green bullet sound is what you're after, just buy the mic!

Thanks Mike. I'll check 'em out. Mike Gallows said:

Yeah. They are pretty dope for vocals. You can check out the BLACK EYED SNAKES. They used one alot.

green bullet is good if you are lookin for a heavy distorted voice,
but they have a lot of feedback and you cant have a clean voice.is expansive and there is not possibility to put it on a mic stand.
if you need a very cheap wild lo-fi mic you can try a telephone mic.
my friend chuckviolence(a good brazilian one man band) he make one whit the telephone tape capsule puttin on a bicycle lamp case.
you can do it whit 10 dollars.
cheers from italy!

John White said:

Check out the Boss VE-20 vocal foot pedal, you can do many different sounds with it. It has a distortion setting that I'm sure can create that effect if you play with it enough.

Check out the Boss VE-20 vocal foot pedal, you can do many different sounds with it. It has a distortion setting that I'm sure can create that effect if you play with it enough. If your playing a club where you set up the PA, you can have total control from the stage. If you are dealing with a soundman, just set it up a he can patch it through your channel.

Yeah. They are pretty dope for vocals. You can check out the BLACK EYED SNAKES. They used one alot.

I am looking for a vocal effect for a live/recording setting that has good breakup and a tinny sound. I've been looking at the Shure Green Bullet, which is harmonica mic (omnidirectional), and Copperphones and their relatives (can't remember the name of the manufacturer). Do you have any experience with any of these mics or suggestions of artists who have utilized them for voice?

Jesus and Mary Chain are pretty good. Also, Fuck Morrissey. I got tricked into going to a Smith's night at some stupid hipster bar where I live and it was absolutely horrible. Ruby Soleil said:

Check out Jesus and Mary Chain. Early Goth tended to be more melancholy with catchy melodies than outright depressing and this Goth band reflects that. Morrissey ruined it for everyone so I don't recommend the Smiths or the Cure (although I could argue that The Cure is not Goth, but I'll let that one go). The rise in the Smiths popularity is when I got out of the habit of listening and following Goth music/scene/subculture. Empathizing with the music you listen to is a different event than letting yourself dissolve into depression and self loathing. Worst thing I ever saw was a little Goth boy letting himself be led around by a little Goth girl (and no she was not cute), by a leash that was hooked to the spiked dog collar around his neck, at of all places Rockfest in KC. And Manson is not Goth, though labeled as such as is all Death Metal and Thrash now a days it seems, but it's really not in my opinion. Lazy journalists. Us Goth kids in my day were never that angry-passive aggressive and spiteful yes, but we'd never raise a hand against anyone other than ourselves. Still love the culture, what with the toys on the market and all and movies influenced by Goth, like Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. You might also explore steampunk, very Goth in a brown sort of Victorian way, the way the Goths chose the black and purple Victorian style, but less focused on the human condition. Style is key to being Goth, but don't lose a job over it, nothing worse than having to squat as previously mentioned in the thread. But yeah, check out Jesus and Mary chain they are one of my favorite Goth bands next to Bauhaus and the Damned. Also check out Love and Rockets, not Goth per se, but you might like them.

Rudimentary Peni's Cacophony is nice and gothy.

It still holds up 20 years later (or more?).

Check out Jesus and Mary Chain. Early Goth tended to be more melancholy with catchy melodies than outright depressing and this Goth band reflects that. Morrissey ruined it for everyone so I don't recommend the Smiths or the Cure (although I could argue that The Cure is not Goth, but I'll let that one go). The rise in the Smiths popularity is when I got out of the habit of listening and following Goth music/scene/subculture. Empathizing with the music you listen to is a different event than letting yourself dissolve into depression and self loathing. Worst thing I ever saw was a little Goth boy letting himself be led around by a little Goth girl (and no she was not cute), by a leash that was hooked to the spiked dog collar around his neck, at of all places Rockfest in KC. And Manson is not Goth, though labeled as such as is all Death Metal and Thrash now a days it seems, but it's really not in my opinion. Lazy journalists. Us Goth kids in my day were never that angry-passive aggressive and spiteful yes, but we'd never raise a hand against anyone other than ourselves. Still love the culture, what with the toys on the market and all and movies influenced by Goth, like Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. You might also explore steampunk, very Goth in a brown sort of Victorian way, the way the Goths chose the black and purple Victorian style, but less focused on the human condition. Style is key to being Goth, but don't lose a job over it, nothing worse than having to squat as previously mentioned in the thread. But yeah, check out Jesus and Mary chain they are one of my favorite Goth bands next to Bauhaus and the Damned. Also check out Love and Rockets, not Goth per se, but you might like them.

Well I guess that would take us into the "rock/rap" thing ala Limp Bizkit and ... errrrrr, other stuff that I can't really think of right now. I remember the Faith No More track "We Care A Lot", though musically I would'nt call any of that stuff Hip-Hop but that's just me.

I do remember buying the soundtrack to the movie Judgement Night. It was pretty cool actually. Rappers doing tracks with rock groups - Ice-T & Slayer, Cypress Hill & Pearl Jam, Boo-Yaa Tribe & Faith No More, De La Soul & Sonic Youth, House Of Pain & Helmet and Sir Mix-a-lot & Mudhoney! The movie sucked though.

I was always suspicious of that rock/rap stuff. You can just imagine all the studio exec's saying, "Well gee, our artists are middleclass white boys... but they are STREET!!! If we get 'em to curse and wear LA Raiders gear we could still tap into the rap world." Rubbing their grubby, corporate little hands together... KER-CHING!!!

What about Faith No More?

I know that as part of its basic Merchant package, yahoo offers the ability to offer downloads. I don't know if they'll let you set the Price to "free" though.

I think the smart thing for labels to do nowadays is to put out all their stuff on vinyl only (CDs just aren't selling anymore, but are good for promo) and then offer digital downloads of the songs so people can make their own CDs if they want to, or so they can put the songs easily on their iPods or other MP3 players/libraries. Personally, I think the MP3s should just be given away, since sooner or later you'll probably be able to find them for free online somewhere. But one good option is to give people a download code so they can go online and download the stuff with the code, but without it you're outta luck. One such service that offers this is TransmitVinyl.com, but it's not free. However, $50 for 500 downloads isn't too bad, I don't think. Another option you could have is to just create a password-protected directory on your website, but to do that you need a website, not just a Myspace page or something, and then another drawback is you just create one password that everyone will share. Sooner or later, that password will get around and lots of other people will get it and use it. Which brings me back around to just offering the downloads for free anyway.

Haha! That can be arranged... kopper said:

More recipes!

More recipes!

Thanks! I'll try to hunt those down.

cool song. The other song of theirs I have is the Wayback Machine theme. kopper said:

Hey, you played the Geargrinders! That song was recorded live on my old radio show, The Wayback Machine. Just sayin'.

Hey, you played the Geargrinders! That song was recorded live on my old radio show, The Wayback Machine. Just sayin'.

Why's that? Anybody can phone in a question. They don't have to be outside the States for that! Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Well he's doing a book tour...I guess this thread would be better for people who aren't in the States.

In the library I used to work at symbols were filed before numbers and in the order they were placed on the standard typewriter/keyboard and MS word normal text symbol menu. So, if you choose to file ? and the Mysterians under the symbol then those albums could be filed before the numbers, and you could also file ¡Viva! L'American Death Ray Music by symbol, if that band uses Spanish grammer, don't know, or just by letter, but you get the gist. When in doubt ask a cataloging librarian, those people are anal beyond belief!

I forget where I was, but I once wandered into a record store somewhere... and for some reason I think it was down south, maybe in New Orleans, or it could have been Texas... anyway, they had everything, ALL genres, mixed together. I don't think they sold classical stuff, it was all rock/jazz/soul/R&B/country/punk/reggae/funk/pop and that (including a good chunk of garage shit), but it was all sorted A-Z. I felt not having to keep darting around the store for different sections very liberating. It was awesome just to start at the A's and start flipping through the records and having every genre right there at your fingertips. Doc Sanchez said:

Oh man, I know too well what you're talking about, and I really must stop myself from thinking about all this. Or as Leonard Cohen puts it: "If these thoughts interest you for even a moment, you're lost".
Actually, I don't file my records alphabetically, but rather roughly by genre, and there by preferences, or how the groups somehow go together (from the players, labels, producers or just how they sound) so I just can take all records from here to there when I DJ, and I know it will roughly fit. The single artists are sorted by date. But Jesus, if I even start thinking about filing them alphabetically by artist, I wouldn't find any sleep no more...

Oh man, I know too well what you're talking about, and I really must stop myself from thinking about all this. Or as Leonard Cohen puts it: "If these thoughts interest you for even a moment, you're lost".

Actually, I don't file my records alphabetically, but rather roughly by genre, and there by preferences, or how the groups somehow go together (from the players, labels, producers or just how they sound) so I just can take all records from here to there when I DJ, and I know it will roughly fit. The single artists are sorted by date.

But Jesus, if I even start thinking about filing them alphabetically by artist, I wouldn't find any sleep no more...

Mine always changes too, but it frequently comes back to "Freddy's Dead," "The Ballad of Thunder Road" (Robert Mitchum), and Canned Heat's version of "One Kind Favor." "Bikini Girls with Machine Guns" is up there too.

Today, it's...Sheriff and the Revels - Shombolar